On the Topic of Guns

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Wizard's Gun Proficiency

Meyobrin 15 Jun 2010 06:27

Guns are considered Simple weapons if they're one handed. Pistols/Revolvers, etc etc. Wizards are proficient in Crossbows, due to their simplistic nature. Aim and pull the trigger.

Could it be ruled that Wizards (and anyone else that is proficient in Crossbows, but not simple weapons - In the case of other base classes) are also proficient in simple weapon Guns?

On the Topic of Guns

Meyobrin 15 Jun 2010 20:06

Touchy just approved proficiency with a crossbow => proficiency with simple guns. But that got me thinking while I was reading over the statistics. There is a reference to the 'larger' of the weapons having a -2 in the hands of small creatures. Why not instead we simply have small creature versions, like that of normal weapons?

[CopyPasta from the d20srd]

Weapon Size

Every weapon has a size category. This designation indicates the size of the creature for which the weapon was designed.

Table: Larger and Smaller Weapon Damage

Example Weapon	Fine	Diminutive	Tiny	Small	Medium	Large	Huge	Gargantuan	Colossal
Shuriken	—	—	—	1	1d2	1d3	1d4	1d6	1d8
Gauntlet	—	—	1	1d2	1d3	1d4	1d6	1d8	2d6
Dagger	—	1	1d2	1d3	1d4	1d6	1d8	2d6	3d6
Shortspear	1	1d2	1d3	1d4	1d6	1d8	2d6	3d6	4d6
Falchion	1d2	1d3	1d4	1d6	2d4	2d6	3d6	4d6	6d6
Longsword	1d2	1d3	1d4	1d6	1d8	2d6	3d6	4d6	6d6
Bastard Sword	1d3	1d4	1d6	1d8	1d10	2d8	3d8	4d8	6d8
Greataxe	1d4	1d6	1d8	1d10	1d12	3d6	4d6	6d6	8d6
Greatsword	1d4	1d6	1d8	1d10	2d6	3d6	4d6	6d6	8d6

Weapons Link

There wouldn't be anything drastic needed to be done. Just up and down the list of the guns requiring referencing this chart to find it's small counterpart (just going one dice size lower). The only minor issues might be for instance pistols/revolvers (2d3). Though easily you could just reduce it to 2d2 instead. Instead of 2-6, its 2-4. Otherwise follow the rules for adjusting weaponry size as needed, like "Weight figures are for Medium weapons. A Small weapon weighs half as much, and a Large weapon weighs twice as much." - This also allows us to estimate the values of guns scaled to larger sizes. Say for a steamgolem wielding a large blunderbuss. Why? Because its awesome. (Pro'lly like 4d4 for said example, Omnom bullets to the face)

Re: Wizard's Gun Proficiency

touchy 15 Jun 2010 07:57

Approval, we are finally doing shit as a team now, so guns may change in the near future(They already have, and are now much more tame, so everyone and their mother isn't a gunslinger.)

Re: Wizard's Gun Proficiency

Meyobrin 15 Jun 2010 17:37

Sweet.

I just wanted to have a wee 'lil pistol for poor Ssej'ir. Instead of being a goof and having a crossbow. Tch! What sort of alternate Victorian steampunk era magus wields a -Crossbow-?

Re: On the Topic of Guns

Maul 15 Jun 2010 23:52

So .. does that mean that those of use that are gun heavy can have some retcon and free changing for our chars ?

Re: On the Topic of Guns

avrahamthebirdman 16 Jun 2010 00:35

Yes.